MNT: What is the ACTION trial? Can you tell us a little about its premise and how it will work?
Catherine Oldenburg: The ACTION trial is a
nationwide trial in the United States that is designed to evaluate the
efficacy of a single dose of azithromycin compared to placebo for [the]
prevention of hospitalization in COVID-19 patients who are not currently
hospitalized, so patients who have […] anywhere from asymptomatic to
moderate disease that doesn’t require hospitalization, and the trial is
designed to be flexible and scalable.
It will be open to patients nationwide in the U.S.; it’s conducted remotely out of our trial coordinating center at UCSF.
So, patients can contact the study team from anywhere in the U.S. and
be screened remotely, go through all [the initial] processes, and then
we ship them [the] study drug and sample collection kits.
MNT: How did you and your team zero in on azithromycin as a potential treatment for COVID-19?
Catherine Oldenburg: It’s a great question. I think
that […] it’s absolutely true, the mantra that […] antibiotics don’t
treat viral infections. And so, it’s a little bit counterintuitive [to
use azithromycin in the treatment of COVID-19, which is the result of a
viral infection].
My team has been working with azithromycin and studying [it] for a
number of indications for decades. Proctor [The Francis I. Proctor
Foundation at UCSF], in general, has been working with azithromycin for
trachoma control, which is an infection of the eye, [for] the last 20 years.
And so, in terms of trials [for] azithromycin, that’s something that
we do a lot of. I have something like eight trials going on right now
with azithromycin, most of which are for trachoma, or for childhood
mortality in Sub-Saharan Africa, where there’s a large burden of
bacterial disease that’s [an existing issue].
But one of the interesting things about azithromycin is that
it has really strong immunomodulatory effects, so it has these kind of
nondirect effects on the immune system. That means it’s an interesting
candidate in terms of what it does to the immune system.
So, in vitro, there have been reports showing that azithromycin has
activity against RNA viruses like Zika and
rhinovirus and things like that.
And then […], I don’t remember the exact date, but there was a study out that kind of created a lot of hype around
azithromycin in combination with hydroxychloroquine,
and that’s sort of when we got interested, [thinking]: If there’s any
indication that perhaps azithromycin has an effect against COVID-19, or
against SARS-CoV-2, perhaps that’s something that we should be taking a
look at because our team really has a lot of expertise in terms of
azithromycin trials, specifically, and in conducting large trials.
Azithromycin is very safe; it’s prescribed all the time for
all kinds of things; it’s something that people are very familiar with
in a Z pack
in the U.S. It seemed like a good candidate for outpatients — if it had
an effect — because of its safety profile. And we decided to look at it
independently of hydroxychloroquine, given concerns about [the
latter’s] safety.
There are a lot of other trials going on with hydroxychloroquine, and
we didn’t really feel like we needed to get involved in that because
that was outside of our area of expertise.[…] That [is why] we’re
looking at azithromycin by itself.
And, we thought, given the safety profile of azithromycin, that this
[drug] could be potentially valuable [in treating COVID-19], and to have
that kind of evidence would be really useful.
MNT: Can you tell us more about the mechanisms through which azithromycin produces immunomodulatory effects?
In terms of [the] mechanism, there [are] anti-inflammatory type
effects with azithromycin. I’m an epidemiologist; I’m not a biochemist,
[so] I can’t get into the biology of it so much. But I do think that
nobody really knows what the mechanism is. Like, for example, with Zika,
and in vitro studies with SARS-CoV-2, as well, nobody really knows what
the mechanism is.
So, you know, it could be that there’s a direct antiviral effect. If I
had to guess, I would say it’s probably unlikely, but [it] also could
be that you’re reducing [the need for a more complex] treatment [by
administering azithromycin].
A course of azithromycin or a dose of azithromycin could
reduce other bacterial loads in patients who are presenting with both
[COVID-19] and a bacterial pneumonia.
If you treat the bacterial pneumonia, [it] can free up the immune
system to fight COVID-19, or it could be this immunomodulatory and
anti-inflammatory response, which brings down inflammatory markers,
[and] in general, allows the body to more efficiently fight the virus.
ACTION is not really designed to look at mechanisms. Specifically,
it’s really just designed to look at clinical and virological outcomes
in patients.
MNT: Lately, there has been a lot of talk about the issue of antibiotic resistance. Do you have any concerns in this respect, seeing that the trial is for an antibiotic?
Catherine Oldenburg: Yes, definitely. You know, I
think that studies have shown, trials have shown that a course of
azithromycin, a course of antibiotics, in general, does select for
resistance in multiple body sources, so, in the intestines and in the
nasopharynx (the back of the nose). It is something that you definitely
see: Short term increases in isolation of resistance, following a course
of antibiotics, and for the long term, the effects of that are unknown.
I think, in terms of doing a trial of azithromycin, the
resistance point is really key for doing a trial because if we know that
azithromycin does not work for COVID-19, that means that providers
won’t be prescribing [it] for COVID-19.
But if there’s this sort of general feeling — which I think there is
right now — that’s kind of, well, maybe it might help, maybe it doesn’t
hurt, then we might actually, paradoxically, see more prescribing of
azithromycin.
So, from my perspective, I’d like to know whether or not it does
help. And if it does help then perhaps the trade-off of the resistance
is a more warranted one versus if it does not help — then, you know, we
have clear evidence that we don’t need to be prescribing azithromycin
for outpatients with COVID-19.
MNT: How has the pandemic impacted the practical aspects of getting this trial underway?
Catherine Oldenburg: It’s interesting how many
things we took for granted before COVID-19 — you know, [like the] moving
of supplies. And even just when we were designing the study, and we
were trying to get a hold of swabs.
So, we’re sending patients a self-swab collection kit — it’s an
opt-in, if they want to collect swabs, they can collect their own nasal
swabs — and just finding a supplier for swabs was really very, very
challenging.
Fortunately, we do a lot of sample collection as part of our normal
trials, and we have a stock of supplies in our lab [already], but not
study drugs.
Editor’s note: When MNT conducted this interview, the trial had
not yet started, largely due to delays in receiving the study drug from
the overseas provider.
Catherine Oldenburg: I think the first [challenge
that we encountered] is just kind of the pace of it [the pandemic]. I
mean, there’s this urgent need. We have this horrible infection that’s
affecting so many people all over the world, and we have no good
treatment for it.
I know that there’s some signal from at least one press release about
remdesivir for hospitalized
patients, but, you know, in terms of preventing patients from having to
be hospitalized in the first place, there’s just really no good
evidence. And so, there’s really this prerogative to look at what we
call repurposed drugs, the drugs that have indication for something
else, and to look at it as quickly as possible.
And, for example, I keep hearing people say things like, “in the U.S.
we’ve had 1.3 million cases of COVID-19.” In an ideal world, every
single one of those patients could contribute to a clinical trial,
because then we would be moving along the evidence.
In the scheme of things, we think we need about 2,000 patients in our
trial to arrive at an answer for whether or not azithromycin works, and
with 1.3 million infections that, hopefully, should be possible.
So, there’s this kind of pressure, this time pressure that
you don’t normally see. Normally, to get a trial like this started, it
would take a year, maybe, of planning and of getting regulatory
approvals and getting ethical approvals and all that stuff.
And, you know, under this situation we went from first concept of
trial idea to all of our approvals being in place in less than 6 weeks,
which is […] just really, really, really fast paced. That was exciting,
and sometimes a little overwhelming.
So, I think that’s the first thing, that the timelines are sort of
crunched, and […] I think there’s also this [other] element: […] for the
work that I do normally, we’re talking about diseases where the
epidemiology is fairly well described. It may be changing over time, but
it’s changing really slowly.
I work mostly in trachoma and child mortality. Both of those are
declining over time [in terms of the epidemiology], but they’re
declining really, really, really slowly, so I can design a trial that’s
going to be implemented in a year and have a pretty good idea of what
the epidemiology in a year is going to look like.
It’s completely different with COVID-19. I don’t know what the epidemiology is going to look like next week.
And, it’s so complicated with, you know, just the kind of social and
political dimensions of it. So, when we’re thinking about trial design,
we don’t have good epidemiology to make assumptions, for example, for
sample size calculations. We don’t know exactly what the timeline of the
infection is going to look like.
When we first started designing this trial, I don’t think any of us
were thinking [about] second wave infections in the fall, that sort of
thing. We were thinking “we need to get this done in the spring, we’re
going to get it done quickly in a couple [of] months, and that’s going
to be over.” And now we’re thinking, “well, maybe this is going to last
longer.”
And then, [there are] the supply chain issues, just [the] logistics
of getting a trial started when you have to move, for example, study
drug products across the world. Normally, that’s something that takes
some logistics and planning but doesn’t have [to reckon with] this
global economic shutdown that we’ve been seeing, in terms of flights
[being grounded], in terms of people moving.
Normally, that just wouldn’t be a consideration like this. So I think
it’s [multiple] dimensions affecting this particular trial.
MNT: Finally, how can people who may be interested in joining the ACTION trial enrol in it?
Catherine Oldenburg: [Prospective] participants [who] think they might qualify for the trial can go fill out [the]
screening form
[on the ACTION trial website], which initiates contact with our study
staff, and then someone on our study team would get back to that person
via phone or [other means of contact].
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