Joe Rogan and his guest, Andrew Wilson of "The Crucible" podcast, discuss the anti-ICE protests in Minneapolis and the ICE-related shooting death of demonstrator Alex Pretti on Wednesday's broadcast of "The Joe Rogan Experience."
JOE ROGAN, HOST: I'm glad you're a gun guy, because I wanted to bring up this whole thing with this guy, Pretti. And I haven't talked about it. We haven't done a podcast since that guy got killed. But that whole thing, there's a lot of people that don't understand what's going on, and why riots only in Minneapolis, and why riots in the place where there's an ungodly amount of fraud that has been discovered.
ANDREW WILSON, THE CRUCIBLE: Coincidentally, right around the same time.
ROGAN: Exactly. Like, instantaneously afterwards, the narrative completely changes. Everybody forgets about the fraud. Now, all anybody cares about is ICE, and fascists, and Nazis. And you know what a color revolution is?
WILSON: Of course.
ROGAN: And for people that don't, it's a coordinated effort to cause chaos. And this is a very coordinated thing. The idea that this is an organic protest, that these riots are organic, is nonsense. It's provably nonsense, because now they have access to the Signal chats. So they know that these people...
WILSON: Cam Higby, by the way.
ROGAN: Yes.
WILSON: He's been on the front lines of this. The Crucible has been a big supporter of that effort, my channel. I will often snipe his coverage while it's going on, send my audience over to send in super chats in order to keep this guy going. I think that that work is critical.
ROGAN: Yes.
WILSON: It's critical work. And there's not that many people doing it anymore because of how dangerous it has become.
ROGAN: Yes.
WILSON: And so I'm a big supporter of that. It doesn't mean I agree with everything he says politically, but what he's doing on the ground there needs to happen.
ROGAN: Right. You need to understand that this isn't organic, regardless of how you feel. I don't feel like that guy should have been shot, but I understand what happened. And what happened was chaos. So what happened -- first of all, it wasn't ICE. People need to understand that. It was Customs Border Patrol people.
So they were brought in to assist ICE. And they're telling this lady to stand away. And then this cop gets very aggressive and shoves her. You have to understand the situation that they're in. Right. And this is not making an excuse for any of it. But you have to just put it into context. These people are getting harassed outside of any hotel they're at. People blow horns. They try to smash into the hotel.
WILSON: They dox them.
ROGAN: They dox them. That's why they're wearing masks. It's a coordinated effort. I'm not saying that guy should have shoved that guy. I don't think he should have. Or that woman. I don't think he should have. And then pepper-sprayed.
And then the guy who got shot, Pretti, he steps in, which is, if you know anything about concealed carry, if you are a concealed carry holder and you are carrying not just a pistol but two full magazines as well, you do not ever physically engage with someone. You also are supposed to carry your license on you. And you're supposed to have ID on you. All right.
WILSON: And you're trained.
ROGAN: Yes.
WILSON: Specifically for this, by the way. I was a CPL instructor for years.
ROGAN: OK. So you know about it.
WILSON: And the thing is, there's a framework here, if you don't mind if I add your framework.
ROGAN: Please.
WILSON: The framework here is this is a mathematical formula. So I've been following these extremely closely live and looking at how this is done. Let's go backwards in time. You remember what was going on in California. Nobody died in California. There was an ICE raid on a Home Depot, and they went nuts. And they started smashing police cars. They were starting fires, right? This was not over somebody dying.
And now the narrative, they're trying to make the narrative shift. The Gestapo is in here murdering American citizens. Well, and what was going on in California then? Because there was no American citizens getting murdered there. What was going on there was they did an ICE raid on a Home Depot, which anybody who's been to California knows that, you know, there's – it used to be that you'd drive down the street and they would all hang out in front of the Home Depot and you'd say two. And they'd hop in the truck and you would --
ROGAN: Day laborers.
WILSON: They were day laborers, right? So it didn't surprise me that they were there doing daily raids. Okay, that doesn't surprise me a bit.
And they all went ballistic. Now, here's what was very curious about the coverage of that, and I had a debate with a couple of leftists on this. What I saw was what looked to me to be a police stand-down order.
There was people who were breaking into – I don't remember if it was an AMOCO or a 7-Eleven, but they were busting into it, and the cops were on the side corner watching this go down and do anything. They didn't do anything about it.
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